Jon Osborne is interested in how the conversations we have create the world we live in. The language and stories we share often define what we think is possible. And if we feel stuck, perhaps there’s a missing conversation we need to have. In this service Jon speaks with Kirsty Moergelein, tracking everything from Jon’s cockney heritage, to dating stories, to pivotal life moments of stepping off the known track, to their shared love of ontological design, which Jon describes as the architecture of being.